UNAPOLOGETIC
UNAPOLOGETIC is a show that unapologetically looks at the life, times and views of some unapologetic and not so unapologetic humans. Hosted by Ashfaaq Carim
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Episode 10: The Israeli MP standing against his own country’s ‘genocide’ | Ofer Cassif | UNAPOLOGETIC
Ofer Cassif represents the Hadash Party in the Israeli Knesset and he has been openly calling Israel’s actions in Gaza a ‘genocide’.
In this extended interview, Cassif gives insights into the political climate inside Israeli society and the Israeli government. He speaks about the “subjugation” plan, a document put forth by far-right members of the Israeli government (who are now key figures in the leading coalition) which details how what he says is a plan to either ethnically cleanse greater Israel from Palestinians or have them continue living under an ever-increasing brutal occupation that makes life for Palestinians in the occupied territories unliveable.
Cassif also speaks about how Netanyahu is “terrified” about proceedings at the ICJ, how Israeli society is becoming increasingly polarised, how Israel has already moved towards a “fascist” reality and how the government is using October 7th to make Israel a fully fledged "autocratic state".
He also speaks about his early life and how his political views developed despite of the cultural climate in Israel where “brainwashing” was rampant.
00:00 Intro
01:15 How has the knesset responded to you
03:40 What kind of home and society did Ofer live in
07:30 Brainwashing in Israeli society
12:30 being conscripted into the Israeli army
14:25 being the first person imprisoned to refuse to serve
17:00 Studying in London influence of Yeshayahu Leibowitz
19:30 How "Judaeo Nazism" was born
21:45 Losing friends on October 7th and Israel's brutal reaction
24:45 Fascism becoming mainstream in Israel and police brutality
28:00 We are "in the midst of a cold civil war"
30:30 Climate in Israel before October 7th - protests
33:00 How the government is using Gaza to make Israel an autocratic state
36:00 The subjugation plan
39:00 How would you have responded to October 7th if you were PM
41:57 Cassif's vision for a solution
44:30 What to do about settlers and right of return
48:29 Gaza, Rafah and international pressure
50:30 Netanyahu is a "psychopath"
53:30 Biden's double standards
55:30 Factors that determine a "wider operation in Gaza"
58:30 Netanyahu is terrified about the ICJ
1:00:30 how does international pressure impact Israeli society
1:03:00 False claims of anti-semitism
1:05:00 Will Israeli society have a reckoning
1:07:25 How the society is being split
1:10:05 Justice for Gaza - How?
1:13:15 Let's hope there is no wider operation against Rafah
